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IETF JOMAAN WORKING GROUP
minutes of 2/6/89 Philip Almquist, secretary
I: Announcement of User to User Connectivity Problems Working Group
- new IETF group, chaired by Dan Long of BBN
- will produce a paper on how end users can/should seek to resolve
Internet connectivity problems
- relationship to JOMAAN to be determined
- unfortunately, neither group can fix broken hosts or broken
administrators
II: Mailing addresses
- mailing list: njm@merit.edu (njm-request@merit.edu)
- chairperson: hastings@psc.edu
III: Charter
- Gene will mail it out again
IV: SNMP community names
- all routers should support "monitor"
- routers under the sole control of the regional NOC should support the
NSFNET backbone community name
- if neither of the above work to contact some gateway, try "public"
- NSI "agrees in principle" to support community names that they will
make available to regional NOC's
- ditto for ESNET
- regular polling of routers belonging to other organizations is a
no-no, except that routers connecting two routing domains may be
monitored by both NOC's (and should probably send traps to both NOC's).
- the above restrictions on "regular polling" do not preclude sending
queries to any router while actively debugging a problem
V: Network maps
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- Merit is 90regional maps which are accessible via anonymous FTP
- regionals which have maps available via anonymous FTP should send
pointers to them to the njm list; Merit will treat this as an implicit
request to regularly retrieve copies of the map
- all maps should include a creation date
VI: NSFNET <--> BBN core interactions
- MERIT and DCA have been working on coordinating responses to
mailbridge problems at the FIX locations
VII: BITNET II
- Scott Brim expressed concern that BITNET II is being designed by
people who do not understand the Internet topology. Thus, the
substantial new load it will place on the Internet may occur in
inappropriate places. Scott will investigate further.
VIII: Traceroute
- several reported that third party traceroute is a real win, and hoped
that other routers would support it soon
IX: Appropriate us of the "status-reports" mailing list
- the list is appropriate only for reports of current or very recent
events, such as
* "X will be down from ___ until ___"
* "X is down"
* "X was be down from ___ until ___"
- Summary data can be interesting, but should be posted elsewhere
X: FARNET Report (by Guy Almes)
- FARNET wants increased FARNET<->IETF cooperation. Regionals should
send people to IETF meetings; these people should report back to the
regional operators and planners
- periodic reports of usage/uptimes/etc. are useful (eg, the NSFNET and
CERFNET monthly reports). People interested in helping to devise common
reporting measures should send mail to Guy.
- is application throughput commensurate with theoretical path
bandwidths (ie, is performance as good as it ought to be)? This is an
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important question for assessing whether we run networks well and for
justifying expensive, high-speed paths. Can we develop a "Dow Jones"
average of network performance? Would this measure anything useful, or
are most problems just broken TCP's that we have no control over?
Interested parties should contact Guy about starting a joint
IETF<->FARNET project in this area.
XI: NSFNET information files
- there was a request to the NSF NIC to provide a file of responsible
persons indexed by network number
- other ideas for similar useful files should be sent to nsfnet-info
XII: NREN planning
- Steve Goldstein of NSF wants input on how NIC's and NOC's should be
organized in the NREN
- Gene will send his ideas to the njm list; others may respond
XIII: Whois service
- NREN will use an X.500-based whois equivalent
- some suggested that (in the shorter term) the existing NIC whois
should be replicated on additional machines (this may not be practical)
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